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		<title>By: In Which We Spend Our Time Talking About Badminton &#8211; jameystegmaier.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Which We Spend Our Time Talking About Badminton &#8211; jameystegmaier.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you could probably tell from my previous entry about Olympic gymnasts last week, I don&#8217;t really get into the Olympics. Granted, it&#8217;s nice to have fresh [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you could probably tell from my previous entry about Olympic gymnasts last week, I don&#8217;t really get into the Olympics. Granted, it&#8217;s nice to have fresh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Best Blog Comments of July 2012 &#8211; jameystegmaier.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best Blog Comments of July 2012 &#8211; jameystegmaier.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] were some great points made from both sides of the table on my post about female Olympic gymnasts (Cara in particular had some incredible comments), but I thought Red made an apt comparison here: I [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jamey Stegmaier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey Stegmaier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cara--That&#039;s fair. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara&#8211;That&#8217;s fair. <img src='http://jameystegmaier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cara Lopez Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara Lopez Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re very generous, Jamey, and I appreciate that. But I don&#039;t believe that innocent men need ever apologize for the behavior of criminal men. I find it important not to categorize: ie, &quot;all men,&quot; &quot;all Americans,&quot; &quot;all Mexicans,&quot; etc. I see how that might fly in the face of my comment about representing one&#039;s country. Maybe the difference is that some people volunteer to represent the U.S, while most people don&#039;t volunteer to represent every member of their genetic group. 

(p.s. - Thanks for mentioning my site!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re very generous, Jamey, and I appreciate that. But I don&#8217;t believe that innocent men need ever apologize for the behavior of criminal men. I find it important not to categorize: ie, &#8220;all men,&#8221; &#8220;all Americans,&#8221; &#8220;all Mexicans,&#8221; etc. I see how that might fly in the face of my comment about representing one&#8217;s country. Maybe the difference is that some people volunteer to represent the U.S, while most people don&#8217;t volunteer to represent every member of their genetic group. </p>
<p>(p.s. &#8211; Thanks for mentioning my site!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey Stegmaier</title>
		<link>http://jameystegmaier.com/2012/07/i-worry-about-female-olympic-gymnasts/#comment-45643</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamey Stegmaier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Red--Really great thought here. I hadn&#039;t thought about how much younger those women must be when they start competing professionally, nor did I think about how our perception of age has changed over time.

I can definitely relate to what you&#039;re saying about professional sports. Like you, I don&#039;t get it, and for the most part I&#039;m glad that sports make people happy, even if they think of them as more than entertainment. I think there&#039;s a lot of anguish and even hate that professional sports instill in people when they reach a certain level of fandom--I&#039;m not a fan of that. That&#039;s scary. It&#039;s almost on the same level as religious fanatics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red&#8211;Really great thought here. I hadn&#8217;t thought about how much younger those women must be when they start competing professionally, nor did I think about how our perception of age has changed over time.</p>
<p>I can definitely relate to what you&#8217;re saying about professional sports. Like you, I don&#8217;t get it, and for the most part I&#8217;m glad that sports make people happy, even if they think of them as more than entertainment. I think there&#8217;s a lot of anguish and even hate that professional sports instill in people when they reach a certain level of fandom&#8211;I&#8217;m not a fan of that. That&#8217;s scary. It&#8217;s almost on the same level as religious fanatics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey Stegmaier</title>
		<link>http://jameystegmaier.com/2012/07/i-worry-about-female-olympic-gymnasts/#comment-45641</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamey Stegmaier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the side of me that likes quantitative data struggles with the unquantifiable aspect of peacetime friendships...but I like the idea. I like the idea of spreading goodwill. I think one could argue that American superiority in the Olympics might have the opposite effect, but maybe not.

I think the only thing I, as a male, can say to your second paragraph is: I&#039;m sorry. Just as Olympic athletes represent their countries by default, I (and other men) represent all men by default. I&#039;m sorry, for all of us, and I applaud your willingness to share so that other women can find the strength to open up.

In case Cara inspires other women through these posts, you can contact her through her website: http://www.caralopezlee.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the side of me that likes quantitative data struggles with the unquantifiable aspect of peacetime friendships&#8230;but I like the idea. I like the idea of spreading goodwill. I think one could argue that American superiority in the Olympics might have the opposite effect, but maybe not.</p>
<p>I think the only thing I, as a male, can say to your second paragraph is: I&#8217;m sorry. Just as Olympic athletes represent their countries by default, I (and other men) represent all men by default. I&#8217;m sorry, for all of us, and I applaud your willingness to share so that other women can find the strength to open up.</p>
<p>In case Cara inspires other women through these posts, you can contact her through her website: <a href="http://www.caralopezlee.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.caralopezlee.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cara Lopez Lee</title>
		<link>http://jameystegmaier.com/2012/07/i-worry-about-female-olympic-gymnasts/#comment-45639</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara Lopez Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points, Red. Glad you brought up competitiveness and teamwork. While I admire team spirit and competitive spirit, I don&#039;t always relate to them on a personal level. My sports interests have revolved around running, skiing, biking, hiking, and other activities in which I didn&#039;t have to suffer the humiliation of never being good enough for the team. Come to think of it, my greatest passions in life lean toward solo effort. Not that I don&#039;t like people. I do. Which is why I prefer the idea of &quot;a rising tide lifts all boats&quot; more than &quot;competition leads to excellence,&quot; though I recognize how the latter can work for some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, Red. Glad you brought up competitiveness and teamwork. While I admire team spirit and competitive spirit, I don&#8217;t always relate to them on a personal level. My sports interests have revolved around running, skiing, biking, hiking, and other activities in which I didn&#8217;t have to suffer the humiliation of never being good enough for the team. Come to think of it, my greatest passions in life lean toward solo effort. Not that I don&#8217;t like people. I do. Which is why I prefer the idea of &#8220;a rising tide lifts all boats&#8221; more than &#8220;competition leads to excellence,&#8221; though I recognize how the latter can work for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t think of any other cases where the indoctrination of youth to this degree is considered acceptable, much less condoned.  I&#039;d put it on par with people who put their babies, infants, toddlers etc in beauty pageants.  I make the association because even if you compete at 16, it means you probably started gymnastics by six or eight, or even earlier.  Even if you&#039;d say that a 16 year old can make their own decisions (which American society doesn&#039;t say), I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s an honest/informed choice if they&#039;ve been driven to compete this way since before they could ride a bike.  

My perspective is (admittedly) based on the culture of an aging world though.  During the Renaissance (I think the Olympics were on hiatus then), people could be married as young as 12, which wasn&#039;t a huge deal, because you may only live to 35.  Now that we&#039;re living into our 80s and 90s, we write off everything before 18 or so to &quot;learning the ropes&quot; of life.  My point being that perhaps we (I) erroneously discount the perspectives of people in their second decade (10-19).  

But, I don&#039;t understand professional competitive sports either.  I understand the interest and benefits of PLAYING any sport, at any age.  I understand the benefits of teamwork and the positive association between dedication and performance.  But I don&#039;t understand how any person would want to define themselves (professionally) based on your their last physical performance, or in comparison against another person/persons/team.  I can&#039;t get interested because players perform, and  teams win and lose entirely independent of me.  Good for them that they compete, and that they win.  But, for the most part, I can&#039;t find a way to feel like it matters to me.  I&#039;m glad when the cardinals win the world series, because it makes other people happy.  But I don&#039;t get it.

(These thoughts are more stream of conscious, but are all inspired by  this post).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t think of any other cases where the indoctrination of youth to this degree is considered acceptable, much less condoned.  I&#8217;d put it on par with people who put their babies, infants, toddlers etc in beauty pageants.  I make the association because even if you compete at 16, it means you probably started gymnastics by six or eight, or even earlier.  Even if you&#8217;d say that a 16 year old can make their own decisions (which American society doesn&#8217;t say), I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s an honest/informed choice if they&#8217;ve been driven to compete this way since before they could ride a bike.  </p>
<p>My perspective is (admittedly) based on the culture of an aging world though.  During the Renaissance (I think the Olympics were on hiatus then), people could be married as young as 12, which wasn&#8217;t a huge deal, because you may only live to 35.  Now that we&#8217;re living into our 80s and 90s, we write off everything before 18 or so to &#8220;learning the ropes&#8221; of life.  My point being that perhaps we (I) erroneously discount the perspectives of people in their second decade (10-19).  </p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t understand professional competitive sports either.  I understand the interest and benefits of PLAYING any sport, at any age.  I understand the benefits of teamwork and the positive association between dedication and performance.  But I don&#8217;t understand how any person would want to define themselves (professionally) based on your their last physical performance, or in comparison against another person/persons/team.  I can&#8217;t get interested because players perform, and  teams win and lose entirely independent of me.  Good for them that they compete, and that they win.  But, for the most part, I can&#8217;t find a way to feel like it matters to me.  I&#8217;m glad when the cardinals win the world series, because it makes other people happy.  But I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>(These thoughts are more stream of conscious, but are all inspired by  this post).</p>
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		<title>By: Cara Lopez Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara Lopez Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I struggled a bit with wording that last paragraph. I don&#039;t mean to say that busting a hamstring is as big a sacrifice as giving one&#039;s life, but rather that it&#039;s possible that the more friends we make in peacetime, the more support we may have in preventing or defending wars that lead to lost lives. I believe that the more that Americans travel and spread goodwill, the less people hate us. I understand why you might disagree that the Olympics can mitigate or prevent war, as such effects can&#039;t be measured, but I just wanted to clarify. 

I was drugged and robbed on a train when I left Italy. As for the sexual assault, I neither want to overstate nor understate this, but when I was in Greece a man exposed himself and masturbated in front of me. While that event from my book was not a full-on rape, once when I was traveling in Mexico a man did physically grab me and attempt to rape me. In high school, I was drugged and date-raped. While these events were not all created equal, they were all sexual assaults and as such were all frightening and emotionally haunting. Travel may have put me at more risk, but I still support solo female travel because the risks can be mitigated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggled a bit with wording that last paragraph. I don&#8217;t mean to say that busting a hamstring is as big a sacrifice as giving one&#8217;s life, but rather that it&#8217;s possible that the more friends we make in peacetime, the more support we may have in preventing or defending wars that lead to lost lives. I believe that the more that Americans travel and spread goodwill, the less people hate us. I understand why you might disagree that the Olympics can mitigate or prevent war, as such effects can&#8217;t be measured, but I just wanted to clarify. </p>
<p>I was drugged and robbed on a train when I left Italy. As for the sexual assault, I neither want to overstate nor understate this, but when I was in Greece a man exposed himself and masturbated in front of me. While that event from my book was not a full-on rape, once when I was traveling in Mexico a man did physically grab me and attempt to rape me. In high school, I was drugged and date-raped. While these events were not all created equal, they were all sexual assaults and as such were all frightening and emotionally haunting. Travel may have put me at more risk, but I still support solo female travel because the risks can be mitigated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey Stegmaier</title>
		<link>http://jameystegmaier.com/2012/07/i-worry-about-female-olympic-gymnasts/#comment-45629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamey Stegmaier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cara,

Thanks for your thoughts. These are all really interesting. I hadn&#039;t thought about the toll it takes on anyone to go all-in for something they&#039;re passionate about--that&#039;s very true. And I think you make a great distinction between an adult making that choice for themselves and an adult making that choice for a child (or an adult letting a child make that choice when they don&#039;t fully understand the consequences).

I don&#039;t remember the part of your book when the train robbery or the sexual assault happened--I&#039;m so sorry to hear that. Where are those stories in the book?

I don&#039;t necessarily agree with your last paragraph, but I respect your opinion.

Jamey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts. These are all really interesting. I hadn&#8217;t thought about the toll it takes on anyone to go all-in for something they&#8217;re passionate about&#8211;that&#8217;s very true. And I think you make a great distinction between an adult making that choice for themselves and an adult making that choice for a child (or an adult letting a child make that choice when they don&#8217;t fully understand the consequences).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the part of your book when the train robbery or the sexual assault happened&#8211;I&#8217;m so sorry to hear that. Where are those stories in the book?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with your last paragraph, but I respect your opinion.</p>
<p>Jamey</p>
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